Curse

BigTru · Jan 14, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10

To put it quite bluntly, PvE is way too predictable.

It only takes 1-3 visits to a certain area to learn what types of enemies you will encounter and what strategies to use against them, as well as quite a few of the spawn points.
Hell, if I knew what my oponent was going to use in PvP everytime, you can bet I'd be rank 12+ by now.

Furthermore, the builds that these enemies use generaly are, for lack of better words, crappy. Isn't it about time that more advance enemies should have a secondary profession? And why is it that none of the enemies seem to understand how to work as a team?

Mabey it's not realistic to have an Aatxe or a Hydra coordinate and work together, or be able to learn multiple professions, but I think it certainly would make the game more fun.

My Suggestions:

Re-think the builds that enemies currently use.
Give enemies secondary professions.
Make spawn points much more random.
Have a monk in about 80% of all enemie groups.
Give a wider variety of enemy builds in a given area. A Bladed Aatxe shouldn't always have the exact same build as the next

art_ · Jan 14, 2006, 04:18 AM // 04:18

YES!!

/agree

Make the enemies *much* more varied and unpredictable. I believe someone suggested giving the enemies a number of skills but that on each spawn they will use just one combination of them. I think that would be a good way of doing it.

Gildor Took · Jan 14, 2006, 05:06 AM // 05:06

exactly the reason why i'm leaning towards PVP

generik · Jan 14, 2006, 05:32 AM // 05:32

I'd like to carry this idea further by suggesting that mobs have RANDOM (but viable of course) builds!

Why is it that every ele I see in FoW is a fire ele with the same.. erm.. incendiary bonds and fireball?

Why not have some of them as air eles, and water eles instead? For more variety!

actionjack · Jan 14, 2006, 05:46 AM // 05:46

More Randomness in exploration area is always something I been fighting for.

But also need to see more RP content that go hand in hand with PvE, else it would become another mindless farming game.

ExplosiveBadger · Jan 14, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

I agree with the OP. If PVE were difficult, it'd be much more appealing.

Banebow · Jan 14, 2006, 06:02 AM // 06:02

Perhaps monsters could have a random selection of 5 to 6 different builds. For instance, the elementalist enemies in fissure of woe might be spike air, aoe fire, defensive earth, slow-hex water, or single-target fire. Every time a group goes down, the elementalists are all assigned one of the builds, randomly. Obviously stat points would be assigned to match the builds. Of course, this may be hard/near-impossible to implement with the current game engine, but since I don't know how they store the monster info I'll toss it out there.

I do like the idea of more monks. For one thing, mesmers might become more common. For another, it raises the difficulty of many areas.

By the way, some trolls do have secondary professions, as it were. They use warrior attack skills, but some also use, go figure, troll unguent. Certainly however, we could use more enemies using secondary class skill lines rather than just primary class skills.

scars of insanity · Jan 14, 2006, 07:10 AM // 07:10

lets see the W/E Aataxes with more than one sword skill and gale and aftershock combo. Then the other Aataxe in the group W/Mo use a hammer with some monk smiting skills. Make it so each monster of the same type in that group is diferent.

Hockster · Jan 14, 2006, 08:01 AM // 08:01

But the monsters are already smarter than the henchies, and smarter than 98% of PUGs. We have to solo in order to survive.

LightningHell · Jan 14, 2006, 08:25 AM // 08:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hockster

But the monsters are already smarter than the henchies, and smarter than 98% of PUGs. We have to solo in order to survive.

Fortunately the PuG-ing people at GWG are generally those 2% of PuGs

antialias02 · Jan 14, 2006, 09:12 AM // 09:12

I'd like to see the higher end of PvE scaled up - but the lower end only made marginally more difficult, if at all.

It would be fantastic, for example, if there were reasons for people to BEG for Mesmers, Rangers, and non-SS Necroes again. Making PvE harder could elicit that.

Yichi · Jan 14, 2006, 11:22 AM // 11:22

Move thunderhead keep to the pre searing fight... this wil lweed out 9000% of the morons that have currently flooded post searing pve...

Hockster · Jan 14, 2006, 12:09 PM // 12:09

Or just let them go back to Pre where they belong.

Zakarr · Jan 14, 2006, 12:38 PM // 12:38

Henchman groups would be in trouble which I think is the main reason why PvE enemies are what they are. Maybe it would be good if game detects how many henchmans are in your party and adjust PvE enemies before you enter to the areas.

Chev of Hardass · Jan 14, 2006, 04:46 PM // 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zakarr

Henchman groups would be in trouble which I think is the main reason why PvE enemies are what they are. Maybe it would be good if game detects how many henchmans are in your party and adjust PvE enemies before you enter to the areas.

Henchmen need a serious update in skills.

The archer needs cripple and at least one interupt.
The mesmer needs some usefull skills and at least one interupt
The warrior needs to drop Power Attack with a quickness
The healer and prot henches need some way to remove hexes and conditions
The elementalist needs to give up on Fire, Earth/Air/or water are generally superior.

Then the MOBs can have better skill setups.

I agree with the origional poster. But, I think that completing the game with hench may become a thing of the past, if you make the MOBs harder.

Two April Mornings · Jan 14, 2006, 04:48 PM // 16:48

/agree

Teh Azman · Jan 14, 2006, 04:59 PM // 16:59

I came to this thread expecting another really stupid idea. You ruined my day :P
This is actually a really good idea, I agree 100%, especially with the diverse builds among the same monsters idea. But, if they do give secondary professions...
Hopefully they don't overdo it on w/mos, as that'll make it even easier :P

Hot Dead · Jan 14, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigTru

Re-think the builds that enemies currently use.
Give enemies secondary professions.
Make spawn points much more random.
Have a monk in about 80% of all enemie groups.
Give a wider variety of enemy builds in a given area. A Bladed Aatxe shouldn't always have the exact same build as the next

Some Trolls have secondary professions (I dont believe Fen Trolls have secondary professions...all trolls (non-boss) are ususally W/R (from the skills they use, thats what I think)
I am sure there are more creatures with secondary professions...cant think of them all

/signed (just to make the life of a runner harder)

~HD

Deathqueen · Jan 14, 2006, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Put more disenchanters in the mobs and degeners like Necros and Mezzies and watch the PVE solo player scream.

Xenrath · Jan 14, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

I'm a support of adding more randomness to the PvE game; at the very least it stops it from becoming a boring repetitive grindfest.